Talk:List of massacres in India

Definition?

I think the article may have lost its way a little. What qualifies as a massacre? Near the bottom of the list is an incident where two people were killed. I can't imagine anyone serious would describe it as a massacre. I think a stricter definition is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.125.137 (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

31 of the entries are for numbers killed of less than 20; these are certainly too few to be described as massacres.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Those incidents of fewer than 10 deaths have been deleted; perhaps consideration should be given to adopting the criteria for the List of events named massacres on that article's talkpage.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Only 5 were killed in the Boston Massacre. The bombing of Hiroshima is not generally referred to as a massacre. It's difficult to see it as an issue of numbers.--163.119.162.241 (talk) 13:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Jhansi

Jhansi: Street fighting continued into the following day and no quarter was given, even to women and children. "No maudlin clemency was to mark the fall of the city" wrote Thomas Lowe.

The majority of the population in April 1858 (estimated at 5,000 killed) died in a massacre during the Indian Rebellion against the British East India Company's rule."

Perhaps this could be included.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Calcutta Killings

"Massacre by Muslims on call by Muslim League" - did the Muslim League really call for a massacre? Perhaps this claim requires a reliable source.--163.119.162.241 (talk) 13:46, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Modify Discussion

@Omg56: Welcome to Wikipedia, I appreciate you work but in this page not a Constructive work, because 1. You destroy the table format and deleting the contents your comment is (These incidence have no dead record hence cannot be called a massacre. Rather may be listed in riot page) & (Deleted a name since there is an allegation but no proof since sox years hence unnecessary) but 2. There are many people Injuries figure available 3. Why you remove Citation tag? 4. In further see other List of massacres pages for good constructive work 5. If anyone try to destroy the table format than I will undo it because table is so long and its take time find out the mistake [1] 6. This is not a reason ref not. Added or no proof then delete the contents find them and modify it because page already linked 7. Who will decide which one is Massacres & which one is riot 8. I think Omg56 and Uribaba96 is a same user and try to edit this page (My Opinion)

oxford dictionaries Definition

massacre (An indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people)

riot (A violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd)

Bests--Bongan^® →TalkToMe← 22:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

@Bongan^® →TalkToMe← I'm sorry that my work has destroyed the table format, but that was a work of an inexperienced one. I can help in rebuilding the table. I do not have any objection on the page List of Massacres in India, except inclusions of three incidences. Not a single death has been been reported on those three cases, viz. Deganga riot 2010, Canning Riot 2013 and the recent Kaliachak Riot 2016. The dictionary meaning of massacres (what you mentioned) here involves mass killings I.e. death of many people. Hence those three incidences cannot be inserted into the list. Yrs, they can be listed in riot list.

And on the allegation that you made, I choose to be silent for now.

Thanks.. Omg56 (talk) 05:51, 21 January 2016

Another thing I need to mention that citation has been removed since what it was supporting is not at all required for the page. I am talking about the Deganga incidence which is not at all a massacre, then what is the requirement of that citation? Even if you cite, that will not tell any news of death/ slaughter, hence that will not also support or help you to establish the incidence as a massacre.

My last suggestion is to undo the change since it has destroyed the table format, but also remove those three incidence carefully. My edit may go wrong since I am using a mobile device. So, if you do it by yourself, that will help to make the page better. Let me work as a watchdog.

Omg56 (talk) 06:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I want to mention another incidence as it suddenly came to mind, why didn't you mention the Dadri incidence, a mob of a certain religion killed Mohammad Akhlaq because of their food habit. It is in news [[2]] for a long time, and there is a deliberate slaughtery. I think you should add those. Personally I don't like it if it is added but from your set of mind, it should be relevant.

Omg56 (talk) 07:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Omg56:Thanks for reply, I am already drop a note in your talk page, If you want more practice editing, please do so in the sandbox. I think you must read Citing sources & other Wikipedia Links for future constructive work. If you see page 2nd line (This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it) After September 2013 lots of data missing. My contribution in this page till today 1. restoring table format 2. Add reference 3.Try to update page list (WikiProject India Rated Low-importance) 4. Yes 2015 full year data also missing, but why you point out 2015 dadri incident and blaming me ? 5.why you linked to Mohammad Akhlaq is a Pakistani hockey player ?. 6. If you add contain than add ref. also in a more constructive manner. 7. Your contribution in 2016 Kaliachak riots page edit it's not possible in mobile. Remember, "Comment on content, not on the contributor."--Bongan^® →TalkToMe← 10:27, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It was beyond my knowledge that there is a Pakistani player with the same name, anyway that could be resolved since the intension was to point out an incidence which is understood already it seems.

A smartphone can do many thing my brother but not as much accurate as a desktop.

Well, the page is already restored, but need to work more. I'll take care of what you suggested. Thanks.

I believe that the articles in wiki should be written in an independent manner, but after seeing many editors' contribution, I can't stop myself to open an account and work on something. Frankly, if this platform is being used up for expressing personal grude and uncanny intension, perhaps sometimes for politically as well, it will loose its virginity (I believe it is still there). I think this should be prevented as hard as possible. All the best...

Omg56 (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Noakhali

[3] — @WikiBodhiVamsa: The p 158 of the source you are talking about, gives the estimate of 10,000 for the "total causalities of the East Bengal riots". Firstly, the source is talking about the violence in the whole East Bengal while the column in which you're inserting this is only about the riots in Noakhali. Secondly, it is the figure for number of casualties. (see the OED meaning of causalities) Unless you can find a source that breaks the figure into the number of deaths and injuries, writing 5000-10000 deaths (that row entry mentions only deaths) is WP:OR. And this source or no other source which you have provided supports your extended claim of 10,000 estimate. So its quite inappropriate to put it that way, until you can find a RS that actually supports it. --- Tyler Durden (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry i don't agree with that. You should to see the whole article first. The numbers in casualties/death column are estimated, all incident listed in the article have either More, Less or estimated range, Its not exact figure. If you have Source that says exactly the number "5000" then cite it before vandalizing. It's Estimated figure. WikiBodhiVams (talk) 12:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

• @Vanamonde93: @Kautilya3: If anyone of you can take a look into this matter and do something about it, you may please does so. I'm leaving this with that. I cannot deal with this user anymore! Best regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 13:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

• I was probably going to see this anyway, but thanks for the ping. The figure of 10,000 is completely original research, and I have therefore removed it once again. The sources in question are referring to the riots in Calcutta, and do not support an estimate of 10,000 for Noakhali. I have notified WBV about the discretionary sanctions on this topic. If you add original research once again, expect to find yourself at WP:AE. Vanamonde (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Selective killings over a period of time

The article includes killings over a long period of time. An example is Thuggee robbery-killings. These weren't massacres in real as there was no mass-murder at once, sometimes it included multiple people robbed and killed of course. But these killings weren't organised or massacres. Most prominently the period is killings over 600 years. There are other examples, I don't think they should be here. If we are to include them then we can also include political killings in Kerala. But these aren't massacres in real, the numbers are over a long period of time thus not even the same perpetrators after some time. 45.122.147.201 (talk) 16:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

But there's also a very long gap from 1799 to 1857. It's hard to believe that there were no massacres in this turbulent period. Cassandra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.116.232 (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The Company got full control in the first years of the century, and peace ensued. See "The Anarchy", by William Dalrymple, pp.381-2. It did not go in for massacres, until the terrible revenge massacres after the Mutiny. Seadowns (talk) 15:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Cawnpore or Kanpur

There are three entries for events in Cawnpore / Kanpur. The first time it is referenced as Cawnpore and the other two as Kanpur, though the events are 3 days apart only. Is there a specific reason for the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sejtam (talk • contribs) 17:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Partition of India Massacres Were Post-Colonial

Surely the deaths resulting from the Partition should be classified as being in the Independent rather than the Colonial period. The British didn't kill any of those people, it was the Indians and Pakistanis who set about killing one another once British control was relinquished. Cassandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.170.200 (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the killings started more or less the next day after independence, I believe. Some British officers still around were asked for help, but had to refuse. Seadowns (talk) 10:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Could the table now be changed, to show these massacres as occurring after independence, please? Seadowns (talk) 15:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 11:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

vellore mutiny - Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2019

Vellore mutiny is not included Vellore mutiny is not included in the table. 122.166.191.225 (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Gangster8192 01:34, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2020

Killings of Dalits in Bihar (also known as operation black rain) in 2015. Source: https://www.cobrapost.com/blog/operation-black-rain-revisiting-the-killings-of-dalits-of-bihar-and-confessions-of-their-killers/895 163.53.86.128 (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:10, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Anti brahmin movement

Anti brahmin movement of 1948 cannot be said as a massacre. No brahmin was killed during this period. Although it was wrong to evict people of their houses NileshMore47 (talk) 12:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2020

Sir, remove the word Hindus massacre from pre colonial massacre. All civilians of city were massacred during wars not only Hindus. Please change word Hindu with civilians. 117.234.63.204 (talk) 05:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

What item are you referring to specifically? – Thjarkur (talk) 09:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2021

Change 'Allahabad' to 'Prayagraj' Aerconhotsauce (talk) 13:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See the talk page discussions at Talk:Allahabad. Once consensus to change the name is reached there, it can be changed throughout the encyclopedia. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Ambit of this page

What is a massacre? Who defines them and how? TrangaBellam (talk) 05:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Source

Please do not restore unsourced content or poor old sources. The source needs to describe the event as masaccre or use a synonymous term. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Serial_Number_54129 Please provide me quotes from the cited sources that describe each restored case as a massacre. There were a lot of synthesis and some outright misrepresentation. This stemmed (in part) from my cleanup at over another page but I am interested to see the sources. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

If you wish, I can contradict each source. Probably better to do that. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I am interested primarily in you not editing disruptively or tendentiously; afraid that, until now, your mass removals of content can be seen very much that way. With this edit you said: More than half of the sources do not use the word massacre. Very well: if over 50% of the sources do not say that, why remove 100% of the material? Likewise, why did you add the {{hoax}} tag (here) in the very next edit to your removal of the material in question? It is editing such as these that create an impression that wish to push a certain political point of view of Wikipedia, and that is a bright blue line.

If your edit is reverted, per WP:BRD, you should stop reverting and bring your thoughts to the tlk. It is good that you have done this! But please, no more reverting (may be construed as edit warring, you see). Cheers! ——Serial 15:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure. I am arguing each case. Please participate. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Trangabellam but you removed so much content by falsely claiming that sources don't mention massacre. I checked only one entry which used this source and it says "30,000 massacred". I don't think you have a foot in this debate after this much misrepresentation. Tessaracter (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• When did I say that no source mentioned massacre? More than half of the sources do not use the word massacre TrangaBellam (talk) 15:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Either that or you are claiming that the source is unreliable. In any case your argument is misleading. Tessaracter (talk) 05:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

• I fail to see why my arguments are misleading. Please provide better sources. Read the article pointed out by User:Serial Number 54129. Raj era sources are not accepted in subjects concerned with South Asian History. Other than that, I have only noted Rummel's source, Bergman and Keay to be unreliable (and cited evidence in favor). Rest are cases where they are contradicted by specialist works. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

• Note: User:Sitush has written an excellent analysis of Raj-era sourcing that you might enjoy, TrangaBellam. ——Serial 18:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Serial Number 54129, I have come across it previously from one of Joshua Jonathan's edits. This is a well-written guide. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The book is published by University of Nebraska. It is not an unreliable source. Tessaracter (talk) 12:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Detailed source analysis (Pre-colonial India)

Srirangam

Our introduction notes :- ...A massacre is separate from a battle (an event in which opposing sides fight)...

Now, our used source simply states 12,000 ascetics were killed.

This news-article notes ..Nearly, 12,000 residents of Srirangam island had laid down their lives fighting to protect the temple...

Other sources (old and borderline-reliable) does not mention any figure and simply uses the word sack. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Firoz Tughlaq

The used source is R J Rummel's notoriously poor work. He sources it to another work of popular history which is neither any professional.

As Barbara Harff notes, ...From an empirical viewpoint, there are some problems with Rummel's data. Historical sources rarely can provide accurate estimates of numbers of people killed; more often they give give wide ranges or best guesses. Rummel chooses numbers of deaths that almost always are skewed in the direction of the highest guesses....The work also would have benefited from a more precise delineation of genocide, politicide, massacres, pogroms, and state repression. Clear conceptualization is a prerequisite to sound explanation...What then makes genocide different from war, and what makes political mass murder different from genocide-do intent and motive vary? The conflation of these different phenomena under the rubric of democide seems to cloud any attempt to explain why...

I know of no other source which mentions anything like this. The events in question are part of the Bengal Sultanate–Delhi Sultanate War. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacre in south Delhi

The two sources date back to 1886 and 1930. Raj-era publications are disallowed in this domain and removable on sight. Also see WP:HISTRS. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Bakhtiyar

Where does Satish Chandra use the word massacre? Havoc is not much synonymous. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Timurid Massacres of Delhi & Timurid Campaign in Haryana

• Timurian historiography is a very contested domain. See this article by Irfan Habib.

• In light of that, 15 is a book by a non-reputed author (and publisher) who uncritically translates primary sources.
• John Keay writes popular histories.
• Michael Burgan writes anything and everything for younger audiences.
• Elliot's is an 1871 (raj-era) work and books have been dedicated to criticize their orientalist approach.

• Let's see some recent work. Francesca Orsini, an acclaimed faculty of SOAS University of London, writes, ...His campaign in India and conquest of Delhi in 1398–9 was not an attempt at integrated conquest, nor was it an attempt at plunder and loot. Rather, his Indian campaign was conducted in order to secure an influence over important adjacent territories so that no larger state formations could emerge in that direction... TrangaBellam (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Sack of Vijaynagara

• Steven E. Falconer, Charles L. Redman note that ...conquering armies briefly occupied and looted the city.... Where do they speak of massacre?
• The other source is a chronological reference and non-specialist work. Also, contradicts the above source.

• Read Lycett, Mark T.; Morrison, Kathleen D. (2013). "The "Fall" of Vijayanagara Reconsidered: Political Destruction and Historical Construction in South Indian History". Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient. 56 (3): 433–470. ISSN 0022-4995. by two specialist scholars. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacre of Garha

• We are talking about Mughal conquest of Garha.

• John F. Richards as well as Satish Chandra, two leading historians of Mughal India (belonging to different schools of historiography) portray the events as part of Akbar's invading conquests/battles.

• Why are we depending on some broad-sweep survey (which does not cite any source) rather than specialist work? TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Kautilya3: has removed this. I also learnt a new thing about checking the archives of talk-pages for previous discussions. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Battle of Meerut

• Sources are from 1876, 1881, and 1934. Raj-era.

• Read comments on the previous Timur section. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacres during Nader Shah's invasion of the Mughal Empire

• Source is from 1835. Raj-era.

• However, Roy (2011) (not cited) does note ..Nadir’s zamburaks made a massacre of the Mughals.. which has a different contextual meaning.TrangaBellam (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacres after the Battle of Panipat

• Sources are 75 years and 200 years old. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Maratha's Afghan conquests

• The source is this recent book by a reputed military historian.

• But, the source does not mention massacre or anything synonymous at the cited pages. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacre of Mandyam Iyengars

• I don't see any mention of this event in secondary scholarship. Hayavadana Rao's work (75 years old) mentioned it and nothing since. We only have newspaper-reports to depend upon.

• The used NIE article notes some little-known Sanskrit scholar to claim of such a massacre based on translated contemporary letters, published by a local mutt. The source also mentions that ...However, many dispute the allegations against Tipu...
• The BS article quotes many pieces to note how differently Tipu has been portrayed in modern history. Vikram Sampath's linked article does claim that he did hang 700 Mandyam Iyengars.
• This TOI article notes the events to be alleged. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Massacres around Vijayanagara

• Lars Tore Flåten has been quoted out of context. She quotes that bit, whilst discussing (and sometimes, criticizing) history textbooks meant for senior school level in India.
• The next source has wrong metadata. It's not by Flåten but by Balaji Sadasivan, a Singaporean politician and a neurosurgeon by training. This is not a reliable source.
• The last one is a source from 1929. Raj-era. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Mangalore Christian massacre

• The linked source does not use the word massacre even once.
• What is popularly alleged is purge, ardous march, and captivity (with death coming as a consequence). Even then, the details are exaggerated and hazy.

• See K.M., Lokesh (2008). "THE CAPTIVITY OF THE CANARA CHRISTIANS UNDER TIPU SULTAN: A STUDY IN THE PERCEPTIONS OF THE CATHOLIC OF CANARA". Proceedings of the Indian History Congress. 69: 475–485. ISSN 2249-1937. and Nair, Janaki (2020-07-03). "Tipu Sultan, the Power of the Past and the Possibility of a 'Historical Temper'". South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies. 43 (4): 581–597. doi:10.1080/00856401.2020.1791382. ISSN 0085-6401. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Sikh occupation of Samana after Battle of Samana

• A new addition, referenced to some Raj-era author. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Detailed source analysis (Independent India)

2020 Delhi Riots

• No source.
• Was a riot (distinctly different from massacre). At worst, a pogrom. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Killing of civilians by central forces during elections 2021 at West Bengal should be added to the list.

• Name/Place: West Bengal
• Date: 10th April 2021
• Location: Cooch Behar, West Bengal
• Deaths: 5 killed
• Citations: https://www.newslaundry.com/2021/04/14/cooch-behar-killings-central-forces-fired-at-queue-of-voters-not-a-mob

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/east-and-northeast/west-bengal-polls-4-persons-in-cooch-behar-shot-dead-by-crpf-after-scuffle-with-locals-972749.html https://theprint.in/india/bjp-tmc-play-blame-game-after-4-killed-in-west-bengals-cooch-behar-during-polling/637554/

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Is there any sourcing referring to this event as a massacre? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021

In the part of Pre-colonial India, under the Maratha expeditions in West Bengal it is written under deaths that "400,000 people, Mostly Mulims", first of all, Muslims is not even spelled correct. The article clearly states that 400000 Hindus were attacked, there is no reference to muslims, it is incorrectly added here that muslims were attacked. 110.224.140.68 (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have corrected the spelling mistake, however, I cannot be sure enough about whether it was Muslims or Hindus that were attacked. For this reason, I will leave the edit request open, so that another user may make a better-informed decision. TungstenTime (talk) 15:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 10:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2021

Add the 2021 Bengal violence after the West Bengal Assembly election 2601:81:4080:9C10:4D9B:84F6:8776:42AE (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Nader Shah

Delhi massacres of 1739 should be mentioned. Esedowns (talk) 22:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Please add these to the list

I'm unable to edit because only register to user can. Please add the following to the table in the "During colonial rule" section:

• Patharighat massacre, 28 January 1894.

• Jallianwala Bagh massacre, 13 April 1919.

Thanks. 218.186.168.177 (talk) 09:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Malabar rebellion in the colonial period

Kindly remove information from pseudohistory

Please consider to replace the pseudohistory with information from the following :

Malabar rebellion, part of the Indian independence movement, Khilafat movement and non-cooperation movement, by Muslims of Malabar having a legacy of 4 centuries of resistance to the colonialism and a tradition of Mappila outbreaks directed against Jenmi tyranny saw its beginning in the British government arresting, and torturing, Muslims of Malabar for several months for false charges followed by a firing at the Mappilas in Thirurangadi on 20 August 1921 which caused the rebellion. These arrests, and brutality, against Muslims began after Muslims of Ernad and Hindus in Thrissur unitedly conducted a victory procession. The victory procession was preceded by a march on 2 March 1921 by Ernad Mappilas in response to, the British loyalists' loyality procession in Thrissur in an attempt against the Indian independence movement while this loyality procession causing violence against mosques, Muslim and lower caste Hindu houses and their shops. When the rebellion helmed by Variyankunnath Kunjahammad Haji began to spread the British and certain of their supporters left.

Thousands of innocent Muslims including women and children who were hiding in the forests, hills and uninhabited houses were massacred. The British government army butchered hundreds of Muslim women and children. The British government forces raped Muslim women and shot Muslims which caused the death of lower caste Hindus also since some of such Hindus used to shave their head like Mappilas then. The British government burnt Muslim and Hindu houses. Almost all houses were looted or plundered. The Muslim refugees were confined to the rebel areas while the Hindus were allowed to come out forcing Muslims to suffer poverty and hunger besides no access to relief work. The indiscriminate massacre of Muslims by the British government forces led Mappila rebels to surrender.

Several unreliable reports of forced conversion of Hindus by the Muslim rebels thus ranging from none (or 3 or 180 or 900) to 2500 or more for refusing to accept Islam, were spread (while it was propagated that it was a Hindu-Muslim riot as part of divide and rule policy of the British government) to justify the cruelty by the colonial government meted out against the Muslims. It is reported that British loyalists (including such Mappilas) were involved in the looting which Variyankunnath Kunjahammad Haji took action against. Haji said British loyalists, who were involved in forced conversion of Hindus (to Islam), were vandals and British agents and spies worked pretending as rebels as part of plot by the British against the rebels. All of such alleged forced conversions took place weeks after the rebellion started only, after British forces began to come, which was after the two incidents —martial law declared by the British government and the surrender of Ali Musliyar on 31 August 1921. Until then no forced conversion took place. Hindu Jenmis, and their mostly Nair kanakars or karyasthans helped the British government to capture the Mappillas. This caused rebels to turn against such sections. 10000–12000 people were killed and 10000 went missing; while the British government says 2337 rebels were killed and 1652 wounded. The Arya Samaj says around 600 Hindus were killed and 2500 forcibly converted during the rebellion. Hindu refugees including upper section returned to their native regions after six or eight or one year after the rebellion (started). All relief camps were closed after a certain period.

Population of Muslims compared to total population of Malabar district had increased by around one percent each decade from 1802 to 1911 while it increased by around two percent during the period 1911-1921 while around 60 percent of Muslims were concentrated in just three taluks (in Calicut taluk also the rebellion took place)— Ernad, Walluvanad and Ponnani where rebellion in 1921 took place — out of ten taluks of Malabar district. Similarly the Muslim population of Kerala had higher growth rate than that of Hindus in the periods 1991-2001 and 2001-2011. It is said there is no demographic change to suggest forced conversions of Hindus.

References

Neutralhappy (talk) 11:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2023

In the table listing incidents in 'Independent India', the 'Chamba massacre' has an incorrect victim-group description. The victims of the Chamba massacre were Hindus in Jammu and Kashmir province and not Tamils as the version suggests, along with an incorrect reason for the incident. As0102 (talk) 06:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 02:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Done: Clearly, the rows for the 'Chamba massacre' and the 'Manjolai labourers massacre' were mixed up. I hvae sorted it out. The Discoverer (talk) 05:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2023

incluing = including 2603:8000:D300:3650:F148:65F1:720C:E69 (talk) 03:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 07:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2023

Please include these 2 :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuki-Naga_conflict_in_Manipur 1992-99 - 2,000 killed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuki%E2%80%93Paite_Conflict 1997-98 - 352 killed CitizenNorthEast (talk) 10:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Thickynugnug (talk) 08:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2024

Massacres such as the colonially orchestrated Bengal Famine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943) (0.8 - 3.8 million) (orchestrated famines are included in the massacres list of many other countries - see Iran and China), Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni) ("It is estimated Mahmud's invasions killed over 2 million people." from the Wikipedia article itself), Persecution during Aurangzeb's Mughal rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurangzeb) ( Matthew White (2011), Aurangzeb - in Atrocities: The 100 Deadliest Episodes in Human History, W.W. Norton & Co., ISBN 978-0393081923) (4 - 4.5 million civilians), and killings of Indians by Nader Shah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah) ("Nader, furious, reacted by ordering his soldiers to sack the city. During the course of one day (22 March) 20,000 to 30,000 Indians were killed by the Iranian troops and as many as 10,000 women and children were taken as slaves, forcing Mohammad Shah to beg Nader for mercy." from the Wikipedia article linked above) are all mysteriously omitted from this page. Please try to rectify this to paint an unbiased view of history. 2601:647:6700:2015:718B:83A3:8E05:CBE0 (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 16:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Add the following rows to

1. Pre-colonial India

Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions | 1001 - 1027 | Northern India | 2 million (source: see Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni)

Persecution during Aurangzeb's rule | 1658 - 1707 | Mughal Empire | 4 - 4.5 million (source: Matthew White (2011), Aurangzeb - in Atrocities: The 100 Deadliest Episodes in Human History, W.W. Norton & Co., ISBN 978-0393081923)

Nader Shah's campaigns in India | 22 March 1739 | Delhi | 30,000 (source: see Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah)

2. Colonial India

Bengal Famine | 1943 | Bengal | British Raj | 0.8 - 3.8 million (source: see Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943)

Please let me know if I need to make the "change X to Y format" any more clear 2601:647:6700:2015:3497:A78F:1AC1:8032 (talk) 21:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This list covers individual events, as mentioned in the introduction: "A massacre is a single event". The first 2 proposed additions span multiple decades and can't be included.

The third (Nader Shah) is a military campaign which appears to have included a massacre of Delhi in 1739. The Delhi massacre could probably be included with a reliable source, but the existing citations in Nader Shah and Nader Shah's invasion of India are all books that I do not have access to. I'm not comfortable copying these citations without reading them, but feel free to reopen if you have another source.

The 1943 Bengal Famine is outside the scope of this list. Orchestrated famines generally aren't included in these lists (note that the China list covers violence during famines, not the famines themselves. I don't see any coverage on the Iran list). Jamedeus (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Bargi massacres in Bengal

I have added the Bargi massacres in Bengal which is cited by two sources. Both of these are reliable secondary sources published from Cambridge University Press. Regarding the primary source, the books rely on Dutch reports, British Reports as well as Indian sources like Maharashtra Purana. Shubhrojeet (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Of 2 sources you provided, only this one appears to be stating a number but as "close to" and it cites the Dutch official. It means you haven't provided anything to resolve the concern with your edit. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Hazaribagh massacre

I have removed Hazaribagh massacre from this page as I cannot find any sources confirming that it occurred. No mention on the Hazaribagh page either. 220 of ^ßorg 08:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Kharsawan massacre

Per above, I also have great doubts about the Kharsawan massacre. I have removed it from the Kharsawan page, where it was uncited.

• Every on-line 'source' I found read almost exactly as that page did, making me suspect that they came from that page.

220 of ^ßorg 08:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)